Despite the best attempts of the Australian government to hide the details of moves to acquire second-hand nuclear-powered submarines from the US, some basic facts are clear. Probably the most important is that to meet their own needs for attack class submarines until the 2040s, the US needs to lift the production rate to two per year by 2028 – but is nowhere near reaching that target.
To churn them out at a speed allowing the sale of between one and three to Australia, the production line must reach a rate of 2:33 per year, also by 2028, if we are to receive our first one in 2032. Even at this accelerated rate, it would only be producing one entire spare or surplus Virginia class every three years. The average over the last decade is 1.3 per year, though it is increasing – but not by very much.
It also must be remembered that even at this ambitious accelerated rate, Australia will receive submarines that were built somewhere between 2005 and 2020 in an “old-for-new” deal that has never been scrutinised. In other words, we are about to be paying to subsidise new Virginias for the US but in return will get boats already between one third and one half of the way through their service lives.
As we have previously reported, Australia is about to transfer $4.6 billion to Washington – not for the submarines themselves, they will be a lot more on top of that – but for a vague contribution to expanding the US shipbuilding base.
In other words, it will be a payment – administered by the US Secretary of the Navy – to submarine manufacturers such as Electric Boat and Huntington Ingalls Industries to make parts for US submarines.
The problem for Australia is that the US is failing to meet its own targets for growth – and the 2025 Presidential Defense budget request is no exception, which has funding for only a single Virginia class submarine. Rather than increasing production, the US appears to be reducing it.
In Congress, one of the main advocates for the AUKUS submarine deal is Rep Joe Courtney (Dem – Connecticut) who says of this alarming situation:
“At a time when the pace of all of Navy shipbuilding—manned and unmanned, including carriers, submarines, destroyers, and frigates—is recovering from the impact of the COVID pandemic and supply chain disruptions, the Navy’s plan to cut a submarine that is already been partially paid for and built, makes little or no sense.
“If such a cut is actually enacted, it will remove one more attack submarine from a fleet that is already 17 submarines below the Navy’s long stated requirement of 66. Given the new commitment the Department of Defense and Congress made last year to sell three submarines to our ally Australia, which I enthusiastically support, the ramifications of the Navy’s proposal will have a profound impact on both countries’ navies.
“This deviation from last year’s projected Future Years Defense Program (FYDP) contradicts the Department’s own National Defense Industries Strategy issued on January 11, 2024, which identified ‘procurement stability’ as critical to achieve resilient supply chains. For all these reasons and more, this hard rudder turn by the Navy demands the highest scrutiny by the Congress which, at the end of the day, has the sole authority ‘to provide and maintain a Navy’ vested in Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution.”
As APDR has been reporting, an earlier legislative attempt to provide supplemental funding of the submarine base by US $3.3 billion – also championed by Joe Courtney – has been blocked by Congress because of hard-line Republican opposition to other aspects of the bill.
Mr Courtney comes from the Second Congressional district of Connecticut and in the heart of his electorate if the massive Electric Boat shipyard in Groton, which is currently building both Columbia class nuclear missile firing SSBNs and Virginia SSNs. He has been passionate about the need to increase the rate of production of both classes and on January 17 he and several of his colleagues wrote to President Joe Biden saying:
“The AUKUS partnership relies on our nation to sustain a consistent build rate for attack submarines required to fulfill our obligation to successfully transfer, via sale, Virginia-class submarines to Australia while meeting our own force structure requirements.
“It is imperative to maintain a steady two-per-year procurement rate to assure our partners in our ability to meet commitments and address concerns about our nation’s undersea capabilities.
“Simply put, now is not the time to insert instability in the supply chain with uncertainty in procurement rates. The FY2025 budget will come at a pivotal time for the Virginia-class submarine program and sustaining our unmatched edge in the undersea domain.
“Any deviation from the planned cadence of the construction and procurement of two submarines per year will reverberate both at home and abroad, with allies and competitors alike.”
It seems that the plea has fallen on deaf ears – though to be fair, Congress has the power to overrule the President’s request and could reinstate funding for a second Virginia class in the 2025 financial year. Given the overall Congressional cap on defense spending, to do so would involve cutting elsewhere in the budget, which is never an easy task.
Meanwhile in Australia, the reality of the situation in the US continues to be ignored. On February 29, the following exchange between the writer and Defence Industry Minister Pat Conroy occurred:
Kym Bergmann: My question is about the US industrial base. In January the US Secretary of Navy Carlos Del Toro criticised US shipbuilders for excessive greed, with buybacks boosting their stock price. So why is Australia going to transfer $4.6 billion to the same US industrial base?
MINISTER CONROY: What I can say to you is that we’re incredibly committed to getting the most advanced capability – most advanced submarine capability in the world. And part of that is uplifting the US industrial base. At the same time, we’re investing $30 billion in uplifting our own industrial base. That will create 20,000 Australian jobs. So that’s the answer to the question.
Yes, Minister.
By that time line regards Virginia Class Sub build and delivery from US,How advanced will antisubmarine Autonomous Drone capability be, Will Nuclear Submarines of today become redundant that’s on the card’s,Look at drone system development and mobile warfare applications in Ukraine they are smashing Russian ground and surface combatants day after Day the future is here now regarding Hunter killer Drones
I think there is a good chance that by the mid-2030s undersea warfare will be completely dominated by autonomous uncrewed systems. Buying Virginia nuclear-powered submarines is a bit like pouring money into Zeppelin technology.
Give Australia them technology to build nuclear submarines in our shipyards may help solve part of the problem
Sorry for my English, for a conventional submarine yes… a nuclear submarine is not an easy task and requires years of expertise
Hi Kym
Also clueless Conroy, at a National Press Club Special speech in late 2023, claimed US production was more than 2 SSNs a year. I didn’t notice anyone questioning that claim at the venue.
Its easy to distort the stats using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia-class_submarine#Boats_in_class .
Clueless Pat can use “Laid down”, “Launched”, “Under construction”, “Authorized” and “Announced”. But the most significant measure is “Commissioned” presumed to be On Patrol shortly after.
In that case “Commissioned” according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia-class_submarine#Boats_in_class is:
2 in 2022
1 in 2023 and
1 in 2024 “Scheduled for 6 April 2024”
Regards Pete
As far as I can tell, both Ministers Marles and Conroy simply parrot whatever nonsense the Department tells them without bothering with even the simplest fact checking. That would involve doing some actual work.
I don’t know why we engage with the USA re defence procurement
Because we are not a sovereign nation and we don’t actually have a say. The USA has a base -Pine Gap – in the middle of our country. When Gough Whitlam tried to shut it down, he got sacked. We are OWNED by the USA and are a convenient base in their stupid war against China – our biggest trading partner.
Carina .. You are right, First we need to get rid of the dependence on China Trade (which is constantly used to coerce our Government into doing what China wants) before we can call ourselves Sovereign, Remember how they reacted to Australian Calls for an inquiry into the origins of COVID, I don’t think for one moment that China is our enemy but I’m real sure they’re not our friend.Oh and Pine Gap is a Joint Facility, not a U.S. Base.
Hi Carina, yes, I’m old enough to remember that business re Pine Gap
well that’s it. Cancel the deal and make it easy on the USA and go straight to UK or France
Impossible – the government and Defence are utterly incapable of accepting that they might have made a mistake. The level of arrogance is extraordinary.
Maybe in terms of shipyard efficienct, the germans have it right with their externsions to Kiel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI5md1HOBT4
With a bit of luck ( possibly the only good thing to come out of him winning it) Trump will cancel it for us.
That’s a possibility. Another is that Trump thinks: if these idiots are so desperate to get these things, let’s triple the price.
Hi Michael, If Trump tells us what he told NATO nations, to pay our way, then that would be a blessing, and possibly less expensive. He would be theoretically happy if we were more independent
alan B’stard M P and Kym
Problems are:
1. The UK won’t be in a position to help build SSNs for Australia until around 2040 (ie. only after the UK builds its 4 new SSBNs).
2. Have you noticed France/Macron isn’t offering SSNs to Australia NOW. Forget the rebuttals of PAST and/or AMBIGUOUS French statements.
France doesn’t want to supply SSNs to Australia because France doesn’t want to alienate its much more important trade partner China – with China being dead against Australian SSNs.
France also sees Australia as a poor commercial and political risk – given Australia reneged on the Attack-class deal.
Hi Pete, France did return with another offer, however, things may have changed since then, so you may be right
France has 4 Walrus class shortfin to build for the dutch navy in the years coming, the same was cancelled by the aussies. $6billions . French navy will receive the third Barracuda SSN next mounth, the 3 remaining will be delivered before 2029, then 4 Walrus class, Canada is very interested by barracuda class as its fuel can be processed into civilian reactor rather than HEU of the s9w US reactor or copies of s5w (UK sub ones) are very dependent on waste stocking
yes the French LEU boats are something they should’ve looked at
It seems that everybody is aware (with the exception of the Government)that U.S. Industry cannot meet the requirements of its own Navy’s SSN needs at its current rate and it doesn’t seem that will change anytime soon. The one glaring problem that everyone seems to have overlooked is , How in Hell are we going to Crew them (130+) when we can’t even crew the Collins we already have (50+) without compromising the number of Boats available for Sea, work that one out.
Crew them? well, the navy could support submarine staff with the following
1 Higher pay
2 Overseas stations in Asia, or even elsewhere with good accommodation and conditions, like the army and RAAF used to have at Butterworth. It was great for families as we had our own school for kids of Australian service personnel
3 For the sake of married personnel, shorter absence from home, less sea time
4 foreign exchange programmes
there are other things too. I think a huge problem is young people today have no interest in getting into conflict to assist globalists. Who wants to serve on board HMAS Goldman Sachs?
even if we’re short of crews in a period of conflict, they’ll still need other subs ready just in case
They are all good points.
thank you. Add to that give them choice of posting
Butterworth historical. Good family housing and school for the children. We could do this all over again and include Navy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB2h3Np5CZg&t=153s
It seems that though the Australian government doesn’t understand the risk profile of the AUKUS proposal, the US government does. The strategic and capability consequences of program failure for the RAN would be catastrophic. For the USN it would merely be one of a number of manageable, operational outcomes.
Given this, the RAN is more committed to the program than the USN. Why would it be otherwise? “That fellow down-under” said everything.
Australian commentators do not seem to have picked up on the fact that the money saved on reduced Virginia buy this budget is being put into the shipyards to boost their production in future years:
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2024/03/11/us-navy-nixed-a-virginia-sub-amid-spending-frenzy-to-support-suppliers/
It’s more complicated than that because the problem is not so much about money but also industrial capability. US industry is about 30 months (2.5 years) late on Virginia class deliveries – and what receives way less coverage than it deserves is a huge repair and overhaul backlog that seems to be getting worse. Deferring spending for a few years makes it impossible for the US to meet its own target of 2 Virginia class per year by 2028 – let alone the 2.33 per year needed to be able to sell second hand submarines to Australia. I refer you to Congressman Joe Courtney’s comments contained in my current article.
This “all or nothing” approach to nuclear subs will cost Australia big time. When the F35 was delayed, there were few problems in acquiring F18 Superhornets as a stop gap, yet any talk of acquiring interim subs is verboten. The reality is if we acquired conventional subs prior to attaining nuclear, they would be at their half life usage anyway. But yet again, this joke of a defence agency would prefer to have 40-50 year old subs while waiting for the second hand nukes. to appear. Why does it seem there is a foreign adversary running Defence?
Totally agree. A modern conventional submarine with AIP (so, not the Attack class) can stay submerged, completely silent on patrol for +20 days.
exactly
Sorry for my English, for a conventional submarine yes… a nuclear submarine is not an easy task and requires years of expertise
Hello LX. Yes you’re correct, however, we can employ and/or consult expertise. Your english is fine
I have a question for you, why Australia need nuclear subs ? With the size of your continent more affordables subs was not an option ?
we need both nuclear and conventional Conventional subs are a must have in the shallows of South China sea and related choke points
Nuclear boats have constant continual power with long legs to take us at speed across the Indo/pacific, and down to our interests in Antarctica, and to stay on station
re my previous message. The conventional subs would be stationed in Asia under the 5 power defence arrangement